Comments on: Discrimination in the toilets? http://www.peripheries.org/2008/06/19/discrimination-in-the-toilets/ Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:39:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: roger http://www.peripheries.org/2008/06/19/discrimination-in-the-toilets/comment-page-1/#comment-14 roger Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:26:22 +0000 http://www.rogertatoud.com/blog/?p=20#comment-14 Interesting point of view Adriana, and though I do not share it, I have approved it. It is true that the concept of homosexuality was born 2 centuries ago and then described a medical condition, I do believe that the definition has very much evolved. Nowadays, it could simply describe people who have sexual relation with people of the same sex. I don't personally find it derogatory or representative of a pathological condition. It is all in the connotation and context. Both change with time. Interesting point of view Adriana, and though I do not share it, I have approved it. It is true that the concept of homosexuality was born 2 centuries ago and then described a medical condition, I do believe that the definition has very much evolved. Nowadays, it could simply describe people who have sexual relation with people of the same sex. I don’t personally find it derogatory or representative of a pathological condition. It is all in the connotation and context. Both change with time.

]]> By: Adriana http://www.peripheries.org/2008/06/19/discrimination-in-the-toilets/comment-page-1/#comment-13 Adriana Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:01:23 +0000 http://www.rogertatoud.com/blog/?p=20#comment-13 Homosexual is an AWFUL word and should NEVER be used. Why? Because is the clinic term to refer to people who are mentally SICK. If someone said to be "homosexual" they are directly implying that I should be treated because I am "not normal" and I need pills and treatment to get better. Whoever uses this word (gay or not) definitively has no idea what are they talking about. Bad word, bad word. Homosexual is an AWFUL word and should NEVER be used. Why? Because is the clinic term to refer to people who are mentally SICK. If someone said to be “homosexual” they are directly implying that I should be treated because I am “not normal” and I need pills and treatment to get better. Whoever uses this word (gay or not) definitively has no idea what are they talking about. Bad word, bad word.

]]> By: Girl at heart | Thailand's Lost Boy http://www.peripheries.org/2008/06/19/discrimination-in-the-toilets/comment-page-1/#comment-12 Girl at heart | Thailand's Lost Boy Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:55:31 +0000 http://www.rogertatoud.com/blog/?p=20#comment-12 [...] that went on here with regards to katoey toilets at a Thai school and the subsequent talk over at Roger’s blog, I asked someone whose opinion is perhaps a little more in touch with the issue than any of ours. [...] [...] that went on here with regards to katoey toilets at a Thai school and the subsequent talk over at Roger’s blog, I asked someone whose opinion is perhaps a little more in touch with the issue than any of ours. [...]

]]> By: roger http://www.peripheries.org/2008/06/19/discrimination-in-the-toilets/comment-page-1/#comment-7 roger Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:00:31 +0000 http://www.rogertatoud.com/blog/?p=20#comment-7 I understand your friend's point when he said he was homosexual but not gay, because the Western understanding of "gay" is often associated with a lifestyle, such as going to Soho, following a particular dress code, dedicated clubs and pubs where gay go, "heroes & Icons" one must admire (Kilye ???). Your friend may self-identify as homosexual, i.e. having sex with men, but not with a "Gay lifestyle". Interestingly, this is the point you made about cross-dressers! Ergo: Cross dresser is a lifestyle, it is a choice, and therefore it does not deserve special attention because it is a lifestyle. It is a tautological argument that ignores the "why" different lifestyle needs to be recognised and accommodated with. I have to go back to work too and would like to write more about this later and I have promised myself that if I wanted to keep this blog up and running I should not give it time outside the specified time I have allocated to it! (I know, not flexible!) I understand your friend’s point when he said he was homosexual but not gay, because the Western understanding of “gay” is often associated with a lifestyle, such as going to Soho, following a particular dress code, dedicated clubs and pubs where gay go, “heroes & Icons” one must admire (Kilye ???). Your friend may self-identify as homosexual, i.e. having sex with men, but not with a “Gay lifestyle”.

Interestingly, this is the point you made about cross-dressers! Ergo: Cross dresser is a lifestyle, it is a choice, and therefore it does not deserve special attention because it is a lifestyle. It is a tautological argument that ignores the “why” different lifestyle needs to be recognised and accommodated with.

I have to go back to work too and would like to write more about this later and I have promised myself that if I wanted to keep this blog up and running I should not give it time outside the specified time I have allocated to it! (I know, not flexible!)

]]> By: Matt http://www.peripheries.org/2008/06/19/discrimination-in-the-toilets/comment-page-1/#comment-9 Matt Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:49:25 +0000 http://www.rogertatoud.com/blog/?p=20#comment-9 My argument was that cross-dressing does not always mean that a person wants to switch sexes. If a man dresses as a woman, but does not want to <i>be</i> a woman, then surely it is a lifestyle choice in some cases. My point was not that being a katoey is a lifestyle choice, but that cross-dressing can be. I understand that "gay" is a Western concept. I argued for hours with a friend of mine who made the argument that he was homosexual, but not gay. I then brought this up with some gay friends who scoffed at the idea. I'll write more after work. Interesting stuff. :p My argument was that cross-dressing does not always mean that a person wants to switch sexes. If a man dresses as a woman, but does not want to be a woman, then surely it is a lifestyle choice in some cases.

My point was not that being a katoey is a lifestyle choice, but that cross-dressing can be.

I understand that “gay” is a Western concept. I argued for hours with a friend of mine who made the argument that he was homosexual, but not gay. I then brought this up with some gay friends who scoffed at the idea.

I’ll write more after work. Interesting stuff.

:p

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